Dumbledore knew about his death

[James 'Prongs' Potter]

This came to me on a wednesday afternoon late september when I had a 4 hour free period (I know!!) and was bored to death I came up with this while reading the Half-Blood Prince (The library in my school is mostly text books but has a section for fiction books such as Harry Potter, Steven King books etc. lol and also has the daily newspapers haha so there XP)
LOl so theres the backstory to this theory!

In the Half Blood Prince we see a memory where Voldy goes to Dumbledore to request a teaching position. Harry asks if its for the DADA position and dumbledore says yes, he definatly wanted that job! Obviously DD refused and since then he has not been able to keep a DADA teacher for longer than a year since he refused Voldy in that meeting. We know that in books 1-5 Snape has been after the DADA position of years- proved by Percy Weasley in HP & the Philosophers stone when he says "Thats Snape. He teaches Potions, but he doesnt want to- everyone knows he's after Quirrrels job. Knows al lot about the Dark Arts, Snape."

Once i re-read the bit about Voldy's meeting something struck me about Snape. Maybe Dumbledore refused Snape the position as he knew that he would only last for 1 year and then might fall back onto his old ways when he was actuallly needed as a double agent. There is also the possibility that Dumbledore was protecting Snape from the curse of the position which makes the sudden change in HBP all the more intriging as he finally gives Snape the position. This could be because DD knew that Snape would no longer be at Hogwarts at the end of that school year, this adds further evidence to the idea that DD knew that he was gonna die and that there was some sort of understanding between Snape and Dumbledore.

[sheff]

I think Dumbledore did know about his death. I think he knew Snape was the one who would end up doing it. There is something very suspicious about this Snape and Dumbledore business. I think there is more to Dumbledore's death.

The way he flew back and off the tower. It just seems set up, just so Voldemort would be a bit more open, now the only person he fears is "supposedly" defeated. We shall see a lot of stuff in this final book, a lot of stuff which will explain everything so intently. I don't think Dumbledore is stupid enough to trust Snape for so long and firmly state he has no concerns about Snape's loyalty, which then turns out Snape was a solid follower of Voldemort.

Definitely something more to come, a lot more. I am looking forward to the last book, in a way, also dreading its ending.

[James 'Prongs' Potter]

Yeh i agree, the whole thing id seem set up! I think its obvious though that Dumbledore is dead though due to the fact that Snape didnt drop dead as well! He did that binding spell (can't think of the name!) and you die if you don't do it so he killed Dumbledore for Draco so that he wouldnt die!

Though yeh, it did seem set up and at first i didnt believe that dd was really dead because of the hints throughout the books! E.g. verbless spells, the tarot card of trelawny's, the actual chapter title and where was fawkes??? He turned up straight away to swallow the spell in the ministry and died and was reborn! So why didnt he show up this time? Then of course there is the whole argument in the forest that Hagrid over heard!!

So I don't know what to think! I believe that DD is dead but i'm still one for pointing out the clues that he isnt dead! If that makes sense...

[bookworm10812]

He's dead you guys, admit it! JK even said so. In her big interview(I can't remember with whom though... ). He's dead, even though we don't wish it he is.

Anyways...horcruxes. Do you think Harry is one? I think so. I also think he'll die. I'm hoping for it actually...

[James 'Prongs' Potter]

Lol i said that i thought Dumbledore was dead!!! Lol re-read my post! I know he's dead but i still always think of random things that make it seem very peculiar! I'm just saying i can see why people think he isnt dead but i still think that he is!

I don't think Harry is a Horcrux though, why would he be? All of Volkdy's Horcru's so far have been something of value due to his childhood obsession with stealing peoples priized posessions! The Slytherin locket, Hufflepuff's cup, and maybe Nagini! The diary is worth a lot as well as it contains the secret to open the CoS and get rid of the Mudbloods.

So I don't think that Harry would be a horcrux for 3 reasons:
1. Voldy's mission is to get rid of all muggles and mudbloods and to gain power. He HATES Mudbloods and Half-bloods and Harry is one of em! Voldy wouldnt see anyone as a Half-blood as valuable
2. Voldy has repeatedly tried to kill Harry. If Harry was a Horcrux then why would Voldy want to kill him? If he killed Harry then he would kill part of his soul.
3. Harry is the only one who can kill him so why make him into a Horcrux? If someone if gonna attempt to kill you at some point you are hardly going to hold them in high regard are you?

Anyways thats why i don't think Harry would be a Horcrux

[obsessedfangirl]

I was so thinking about the other day (the 1st post) Dumbledore obviously knew Snape wouldn't be here next year or he wouldn't have given him the job. I have a quesion, Who thinks Harry's gonna die???

[James 'Prongs' Potter]

I actually don't think that he will die! You can think of it both ways really:

1. Harry does die and so does Voldemort- Voldemort can't live as that just wouldnt happen! Its a big possibility that he would die because honestly at least one of the trio will die because how can 3 16/17 year old kids with only 6 years of magical experience (so far) go into a war with the most evil of wizard ever with his band of evil death eaters who are all experienced in the dark Arts without dying? Especially now that Dumbledore isnt around to help them!!! Personally I think that it will be Ron! But, if Harry does die then there will be uproar! The hero can not die after 10 years of the books! 7 books later the outcome can not be his death! She has said that she probably won't do any more after the 7th and the ideal thing to do would be to kill harry off so that no one could write any more after she died but would the books wouldnt neccessarily have to be about Harry anyway! Spin offs??? She says that she would like to write more books but not HP ones but they will never ever ever be as popular as the HP seires! So you never know, he might just write an 8th book- its a possibility!!!!!

2. Obviously, the other possibility is that Harry lives! This would be the sort of happy ending but it doesnt have to be as fairy-tale as some poeple would say it would be! If Harry survives it probably wouldnt be all that good, for starters most of his friends will die, sirius and dumbledore are already dead and Hagrid is a HUGE (no pun intended) possibility of another death! What would Harry have if he survived?

But yeah I think that he would survive because of the fact that jkr cried when she killed Sirius off she really didnt want to kill dumbledore off (i don't know of her reaction so post if you do!) so i just don't think that she would be able to kill Harry off!!! Plus theres also the fact that she said that she had the ending planed right at the beginning! I remember that she said that some people thought that she was cocky as she had the ending of the 7th book even before he first book was even finished and published! So why on earth would she decide and write down the ending of the whole series which actually was Harry's death? Think about it, imagine spending 16 years of writing Harry Potter books (She thought of it in 1990 remember) only to know all the way through that Harry was going to die! Would you be bothered??? Its too sad an ending and I just don't think that people would accept it!

But the one thing that I can't wait for is the rush of fan fiction when that 7th book comes out! theres gonna be people who will be unhappy about the deaths, the relationships, the plot and the overall ending so it be awesome to see peoples take on it, I know theres a few out there but they're usually sequels to their own and.... lol well there will be more now anyway!!!

[bookworm10812]

Actually I think Harry has to die. I mean thats the only way JKR can actually leave it at seven books. I mean if Harry lives people will keep bugging her about writing a book eight. Or to continue ten years in the future or whatever.

I still think Harry is a horcrux. It could have been that Voldemort could have - as a last minute attempt to save himself - put half of his soul into Harry. It could be why the scar is there. Not just because Lily died to save him, but because he put his soul in Harry. I mean c'mon he feels Voldemort's feelings!

[James 'Prongs' Potter]

He feels Voldy's feelings because of the scar- which he got from the curse. Avada Kedavra is a very powerful cuarse, afterall its an unforgivable and KILLS YOU!!! Its bound to leave a mark That gives Harry/Voldy a special connection. Voldy went to kill Harry that night and he tried to, after he cast the spell it immediatly rebounded and killed Voldemort himself. There would have been no time at all for him to "put half of his soul into harry" as a lastminute attempt to save himself.

He went to Kill Harry that night because of what Snape heard in the pub, but only heard half of it which was:

"The one with the power to vanquish the dark lord approaches...
Born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies..."

Snape only heard that bit before he was thrown out and told Voldemort, he did not hear the rest, therefore could not tell voldemort that attacking Harry would be a danger to him.

Because Voldy only heard those 2 lines we can only assume that he went there to kill Harry before he was old enough to learn enough magic to kill him. The first line tells us that someone who can kill Voldemort has been born. The second line just gives clues as to who it is.

Voldemort will have gone there to kill Harry, not give a peice of soul to him! Think about it, the only person in the whole world, the only person who will ever be able to defeat him is stood infront of him, crying as his dead mother lies on the floor. He is not about to say "Hey Harry, here, have a peice of my soul, hopefully you won't be able to kill me later on..."

He's just going to attempt to kill him!!!

[bookworm10812]

I still stick to my theory.

But ok you did make some excellent points. But maybe Voldemort thought that his soul would take over Harry's body or something. Seeing as Harry is only a baby.

[James 'Prongs' Potter]

Lol ok But i'm still gonna stick to my opinion- lol that Harry is not a Horcrux

Lol!!! Now then, just an important point:

This is a theories section! PLease use separate threads from now on for different theories! We now have 3 separate theories ion one at the moment

[bookworm10812]

Haha. Sorry James. We'll make a mental note of that from now on.

[James 'Prongs' Potter]

Lol its just annoying...

[sheff]

Dumbledore is definitely dead, but I think he has things set up in the cause of his death. I really think Dumbledore has a lot of things planned, where his death, strangely enough, could actually help the world.

I don't know about Harry being a Horcrux. It is very unlikely Voldemort would want him as one. However, if Harry was one, he knows that Dumbledore couldn't kill him, as a Horcrux, because he favours Harry and Dumbledore isn't a murderer. Also, I think if he is a Horcrux, it wasn't intentional. He might have passed some over when he first tried to kill him and killing him will be the only thing to give it him back.

I do think that Nagini is a Horcrux, seeing as it was Dumbledore who laid down the suspicions and I have a odd fealing it will be Snape who destroys that one.